tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post4200734431137202288..comments2024-03-03T18:59:20.527+13:00Comments on Yardy Yardy Yardy: Gotta Get It Right...Writer Of The Purple Sagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08935896975834415060noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-15145740516817638302014-01-28T10:07:42.108+13:002014-01-28T10:07:42.108+13:00It is deliberately misleading to the extreme.
This...It is deliberately misleading to the extreme.<br />This person will explain far better than I can.<br />http://elinbrimheimheinesen.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/10-arguments-against-pilot-whaling-and.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678227079295503944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-40706501955220925592013-06-19T12:06:16.701+12:002013-06-19T12:06:16.701+12:00Logical Larry:
My reply about the cost was in res...Logical Larry:<br /><br />My reply about the cost was in response to this blogs author, about one of his arguments against whaling, saying that grind is a “treat”.<br /><br />Don´t know if it´s has something to do with English not being my first language, but I totally fail to understand how something being a treat has anything to do with the right/wrong question on the subject discussed here.<br /><br />If the grind fell down from heaven like manna, it sure would be a treat and by the blogs author definition then be an argument against whaling, - I sure don´t follow?<br /><br />Despite the absurd and pointless idea of trying to refute such an empty non-argument, I gave examples of how there actually IS a fair amount of effort involved in getting the meal on the table.<br /><br />Still, - costs or not, they are carried by FI society and should not be a worry of yours.<br /><br />And even tough your “sincere” interest in Faroese health issues is touching, I believe they are way better administrated by whom they actually concern, the Faroese people themselves, thank you.<br />BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-39634437499838752102012-04-18T10:49:37.191+12:002012-04-18T10:49:37.191+12:00Big Mac:
Did you write your last reply AS A JOKE?...Big Mac: <br />Did you write your last reply AS A JOKE??? <br />Because it's very very funny!<br />You write about the COST of a “grindadráp”... <br />The cost of the police - not an extra cost. They're on duty anyway. <br />The cost of lost employment - more fool the businesses who allow their staff to run off without warning. <br />The cost of fuel, salt, clean-up - well, if these people WANT this butchered treat, that's the price they pay. <br />The cost of imported meat being cheaper - then why don't you just buy that? You've getting more than enough subsidies from the Danish.<br />Basically, if you don't want the COST, the BAD PUBLICITY, the HEALTH ISSUES, the LONG-TERM BRAIN DAMAGE to your children...then don't continue with this slaughter! It's as simple as that. <br />There's no convincing argument you Faroese can put up against this logic.Logical Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-42599442343327479932011-11-10T18:36:34.051+13:002011-11-10T18:36:34.051+13:00"...Modern warehouses with any type of food y..."...Modern warehouses with any type of food you can think off(sic)...."<br /><br />Then why bother the dolphins, Mr Mac?<br /> <br />Oh I see! Because you can!<br /><br />Nice one...Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-35139117106848475522011-11-10T15:34:23.685+13:002011-11-10T15:34:23.685+13:00Mr Mac.
The typical yearly harvest, on AVERAGE, f...Mr Mac.<br /><br />The typical yearly harvest, on AVERAGE, from the grind is approx 500tonnes of meat and blubber. Given that the population of 48000+ would be restricted, should they adhere to government recommendations, to consuming approximately 170 tonnes of meat and blubber, one wonders what happens to the rest? Shrinkage?;)<br />The official figures for the cull(s) only record those animals utilised. So in a killing of say 100 pilot whales, if 80 are utilised for consumption, then the official cull figure is shown as 80. Similar protocols apply to strandings. Slighty shady, methinks.<br />The actual killing time averages about 30 seconds which is by no means instant.<br />The simple fact of the matter is that it is unnecessary to continue the practice. Sufficient evidence exists to suggest massive over culling, given that 500 tonnes is taken to satisfy 170 tonnes requirement. <br />60% of meat requirements are now fulfilled locally by land based animals.<br />The meat is unfit for human consumption according to your own governing body.<br />Claim righteous indignation if you will. We're not fooled.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-19427212994419489122010-12-01T00:49:59.537+13:002010-12-01T00:49:59.537+13:00ECONOMICS: Part2
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You may call it a t...ECONOMICS: Part2<br /><i>continued...</i><br /><br />You may call it a treat, feat, meat or whatever nice words comes to mind You forget that grind is everyday food here and has always been. If you ask any faroe islander, “grind” will be among top tree favorite meals any time over any fancy French kitchen.<br /><br />This is the essence/core/bottom line/crucial/utmost/fundamental of EVERYTHING.<br /><br />I don´t know if it is deliberate ignorance or lack of fantasy to completely bypass the essence, the very reason Faroe Islanders even bother the effort to get this meal on the table.<br /><br />Grind is national dish here, it is just what we eat! Your laid-back attitude in forcing FI to quit eating grind is to be paralleled with your willingness to remove lamb or mutton from New Zealand’s dishes.<br /><br />Again for reflections sake I suggest you think about your absolute favorite food, tell me what it is, and tell me about your feelings if I with no other argument than “it is a treat” “you don´t need it”, told you to please stop it now and forever.<br />You seem like a nice man so you probably wouldn’t ask me to f... of, but sure would think I´ve got some nerve,- most likely tell me it is not for me to decide what you should eat, and ask me to come up with some REALLY good arguments.<br /><br />This is exactly what I say: It is not for you to say specifically that I shall not eat “grind” or any food on earth because I don´t need it or it´s a treat. If you have a problem with my food your job is to argument convincingly, and it implies of course the self-evident logic (axiom) that you don’t undermine and hollow out your reasoning by actually being in a position the same or even worse than the object you criticize.<br /><br />“Grind” is not about survival and neither are your hamburger so shall we say we´re even!<br /><br />PS: If the problem is that we get a “treat” would you feel better if we commercialized it, neatly wakumpacked and in stead of getting it for free, put on sale in a supermarket or exported to New Zealand with profit? <br /><br />PPS: At last a little twist that you can add to the fact database: <br /><br />“Grind” is NOT free! <br /><br />There are a lot of expenses associated with a “grindadráp”. Since there is no way to predict when a “grindaboð” may occur, people have to be ready to go the very minute, that be in the middle of church or work. This hugely affects every place of work and their employee in lost income. There is nothing unusual to miss several hours to days of work pr men. Add this up with 1000...+.<br /><br />To herd the whales you need a lot of fuel driven boats, often 50 -100 or more. Fuel- expenses usually covered by the owner.<br />Salt and storage barrels.<br />Fully paid Police staff who are in charge of origination, easily working non-stop 48 hours<br />Fully paid clean up personnel with trucks and dif. gear <br />The total cost is not fictitiuos but in real hard cash, covered either way or the other by the society.<br /><br />Our small scale locally produced ecologic meat does not fall from the sky but comes at a cost probably exceeding the cheapish mass produced meat from Brazil or NZ<br /><br />Grind is distributed freely, but is not acquired free of charge. The overall costs are carried by the society and is therefore not a treat. <br /><br />No treat, hence no TREAT argument....there you go.BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-56733438237919947562010-11-30T23:53:57.630+13:002010-11-30T23:53:57.630+13:00Here we go again. This time about economics. I try...Here we go again. This time about economics. I try to keep a sober tone with a little edge though. No offense and nothing personal, but hey remember who´s under attack here ;-)<br /><br />ECONOMICS: Part 1<br /><br /><i>Economics: the Faroes has a strong economy easily sustaining its imports. For some to argue, that the grindadráp is vital should the islands be cut off by storms, is naive in this modern age. Likewise the argument, that whales constitute 30% of locally produced meat: this neatly sidesteps the fact that – just as if I baked a cake and it made up 30% of my baking – it's still a TREAT, not vital for survival. Replacing whaling with eco-tourism (in such a beautiful country as yours) would not only contribute to the GDP, but also remove the stygma of butchery.</i> (quote Philbee)<br /><br />First there is no need to enlighten faroe islanders about the economic situation and the extent of modernity here. It is like telling Australians that kengurus live in their country, they are perfectly aware of that and have no intention or reason to refute that obvious fact. <br /><br />So yes Faroe Islands is a modern society,- cars , roads, subsea tunnels, satellite tv, broadband internet, cell phones. Several daily abroad flights. Education level the same as in main Europe, people study in Denmark, UK, USA etc.<br />Modern warehouses with any type of food you can think off.<br /><br />Whale meat is therefore not a question of life and death.<br />Bringing the discussion in that direction with people of FI is a dead-end and has no purpose just like the case with the kengurus above.<br /><br />So for the slow witted we do NOT talk survival here.<br /><br />The real issue and irony is that not we, but YOU keep bringing the meatconsuption of faroe islanders into a matter of life and death, a case of survival.<br /><br />This survival fixation makes me curios. I wonder about the origin of the life/death requirement. Is it actually a standard you set for yourself? . I have my reasonable doubts and wonder why you don´t turn the question on yourself and impose a little selfreflection on you and your fellow countrymen , - <b>why is your meat consumption not a question of survival??</b> Why don´t you ask yourself what meat you can do without? Are you going to die without deer meat? Lamb? Rabbit? Are ALL the manifold types of meat you consume in NZ strictly for survival? <br /><br />If it turns out that you actually do not die without lamb or deer, by your standards it is a treat and therefore should not be eaten by humans. I have a hard time believing you are practicing your own logic and eat only what is absolutely necessary to survive. Don´t fight me on this one you know I´m right, otherwise I must assume you eat only green leaves, some nuts and maybe watermelon.<br /><br />Meat is what the majority of the worlds population consume, (it ought not to come as a surprise and it really shouldn’t be my job to bring the news to enlightened people)<br /><br />The meat from grind is just what it is,- meat!!<br /><br /><i>Likewise the argument, that whales constitute 30% of locally produced meat: this neatly sidesteps the fact that – just as if I baked a cake and it made up 30% of my baking – it's still a TREAT, not vital for survival.</i> (quote Philbee)<br /><br />You seem to ascribe the word “treat” a negative value. As if something is a treat then it is problem in itself.<br />That I don´t get, what is wrong with a treat?<br />Following your cake-analogy, even if your cake made up 220% percent of your baking, I would ask myself if this fact is of any relevance to me or anybody?<br />I would ask myself relevant questions: Oh yes he eat an awful lot of cake but does it impose a threat to anybody? Is there danger of extinction of the cake? Is there any moral issue in eating cake vs. ex bread?<br /><br />Even all the cake eating may not be good for you, I am in no position to force you to quit, even all you eat is cake and it is 100% a TREAT. <br /><br />If cake is what you want to eat, and there otherwise is no harm done, there is nothing I will or should do about it.<br /><i>to be continued...</i>BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-30120238898168607792010-11-29T06:45:49.254+13:002010-11-29T06:45:49.254+13:00I've just read your blog on the grindadráp on ...I've just read your blog on the grindadráp on the Faroe Islands, and would like to thank you for your way of settings things straight.<br />However, on your remark about whale screaming or noises, I can only give you my hands-on experiences. They are quiet except for the occasional clicking and the noise they make when breathing. <br />On the killing I can inform you that a new weapon has been developed, which looks like a small shovel. The blade of the shovel is sharp and used to cut the spinal cord only. The weapon has been approved on a experimental level by the authorities, but the results are very good and I'm quite sure we'll see the weapon being approved and made obligatory for the kill.<br /><br />Recently we had a kill gone wrong at Klaksvík, meaning that the kill was to slow compared to the size of the flock. The guys in charge of the kill blamed it on themselves, poor planing and poor coastal circumstances. They plan to adopt rules and regulations which are in force in other bays, that are being used more frequently.<br /><br />When we claim the kill is not commercial, it means that there is no company doing any whalekilling. However, some resourceful hands have always participated in all the kills they can - and are selling their exceed meat. The price is very low, compared to other meat, bird or fish. They usually sell their meat in Tórshavn - which is what we Faroese call a "bad whalebay" - and where close to half the population lives.<br /><br />As the rest of the world, Faroes are experiencing the economical recession on a large scale. One of the two mayor banks has gone bankrupt, and with rising unemployment I'll expect a rise in the interest in partaking in the whalekilling - and other ways to harvest the natural resources at hand. I myself spend some of my time onshore to hunt wild hare, seals and various blackbirds. I've been doing this since I was a toddler and because I've seen closehand that the wildstock is not deteriorating. I eat most of my game myself - and give all exceeding meat to relatives and close friends. I haven't found a way to use the fur for something resourceful yet.<br /><br />Thank you again for your reasonable approach to our ways and best regards,<br /><br />Eyðbjørn Einarsson JespersenEyðbjørn Jespersennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-5407627613409178592010-10-20T02:47:17.135+13:002010-10-20T02:47:17.135+13:00sorry the order of part 2 and 3 are reversedsorry the order of part 2 and 3 are reversedBigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-24988463032878714822010-10-19T23:40:34.788+13:002010-10-19T23:40:34.788+13:00Emotions Part2
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Why would modern peop...Emotions Part2<br />..continued<br /><br />Why would modern people of New Zealand stop their beef consumption out of consideration to a foreign religion in a foreign country?<br /><br />Why would Faroe Islanders stop their whalemeat consumption out of consideration to a foreign whale-religion of a foreign people, alian to our way of life, and even alianated and in denial to the core and facts of their own existence?<br /><br />It calls for consern and wondering when peoples evercanging “emotions” are used as an absolut valid argument which others are expected to live by, perfectly well knowing that your country will change lifestyle only due to respect of others emotions, the day hell freezes over. <br /><br />A whale is one (1)out of the worlds 1,250,000 identified animalspecies (just take the time to grasp the magnitude). No offense but don´t you agree with me that it takes both a narrow and selfish mindset to conclude that “emotions” is a valid parameter to single out which specie is food and which is sacred, and on top of that having the arrogance to singlehanded appoint oneself to be the chairman and only member of the selection committee?<br /><br /> “Added to this is the shock factor for many who've seen photos or videos of the grindadráp. Perhaps if they'd grown up with this, they'd feel indifferent to the whales' pain.” (quote Philbee)<br /><br />I bet there are a lot of things “they” are not grown up with!, - so does it mean that the rest of the world has to await clearance until they are updated or have decided which “emotion” to wear on topic´s they are ignorant about?<br /><br />You seeing call for establishing a thread with the main message “gotta get it right”, is a perfect example of the basis for the majority of emotions out there. 99,9% of written response on the internet propagates directly false information Well no need to tell you, the factual errors you pointed out yourself are so severe that no wonder people are upset, but do you think that it is just and fair that false, wrongful misinformation and thereby derived emotions, are valid and acceptable as relevant arguments?<br /><br />Emotions alone are just a human condition, an individual state of mind controlled by some chemicals in the brain whatever.. , impulses triggered by thousand billions of different inputs and with just as many different factors affecting the end result, the output, the emotion.… The very same experience is resulting in different emotion by different people, and it´s not considered good common sense to make absolute definite conclusions based on the emotions themselves.<br /><br />Of course the RATIONALE that led to the emotion has to be the determining factor in disputes between people.<br /><br />The back-story, the facts, the context are the matter, the substance to be considered, emotions are a highly individual state of mind not suitable in serious decision-making.<br /><br />Until you come up with convincing arguments to prove that ever-changing inconsistent emotions in themselves are enough to decide important matters, I have to reject them as argumentation material.<br /><br />to be continued...BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-39692574945940574392010-09-29T02:23:37.603+13:002010-09-29T02:23:37.603+13:00Emotions Part3 (last)
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“….. and inter...Emotions Part3 (last)<br />..continued<br /><br />“….. and interaction with mankind has forged emotional bonds,…..” (quote Philbee)<br /><br />I don’t know about interaction with whales, anyway that is not normal occupation of average people all I know of. Maybe you are referring to TV´s Animal channel and the media phenomena of diving with sharks or whales, which almost has become synonym, or should we say substitute, to environmental awareness. <br /><br />This commercialized “natural” coexistence on the blue screen is the closest contact most people ever have had with a whale. Not to ditch TV, it can be entertaining and occasionally educational, but you can hardly talk about forging sincere true real emotional bonds via the telly, they will at best be superficial <br /><br />Besides, bonding is usually referred to as a relationship characterized by attachment, affection and trust between two parts who feel the same way. That is the definition of the word. So what you basically are saying is that whales have same affection towards human beings. Well I think that is an optimistic assumption, I doubt the whale is conscious about human beings altogether, even they might be capable, they live in an other world where there are no human beings(except some divers from Animal Channel ;-) … and where there is no television.<br /> <br />I therefore think the word “bonding” is completely off and the real word is “liking”. You like whales that´s all there is to it. The sad thing is that not all animals are obviously “liked” equally since some of them frequently are squashed into meatloaf and consumed with great relish.<br /><br />As for interaction with mankind I assume enviromentalists have interaction on daily basis with all kinds of animals. Still it doesnt hold them back to kill and eat the very same animals. <br /><br />Summary: <br />*The idea of using intelligense as a factor of protecting “intelligent” animals, is by nature the same idea of using intelligense as a factor to NOT protect lesser “intelligent” animals. Moraly it is a contradiction and scientificaly it is an impossible task to do a meaningful IQ test on the worlds species and expect any reliable way to compare their mental capabilites. Besides the narrow favouring of humanlike skills is to disregard the complexity and uniqness of every living creature there is.<br /><br />*Emotions is an everchanging, volatile, inconsistent human condition and are not suitable as a standalone argument in any disscussion. Of course it is the rationale that lead to the emotions which is the point of interest.<br /><br />*It is a direct (double)contradiction to use interaction as an argument for protection of an animal of which people have no interaction, and having no problem killing animals of which they have daily interaction.<br /><br />..end of EmotionsBigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-68488396256533190112010-09-17T13:50:00.118+12:002010-09-17T13:50:00.118+12:00Dear Big Mac:
I appreciate the effort you made, r...Dear Big Mac: <br />I appreciate the effort you made, responding to my comments back in June. You've obviously applied a lot of thought, and I reply in the same manner. <br /><br />Regarding "TRADITION": You agree that tradition can't be used to defend the whale hunt, but maintain it can't be used to attack it either. Then you link NZers eating meat as traditional. <br /><br />By definition, traditions are beliefs/customs passed down through generations. They preserve culturally significant ideas, specific practices and various methods used by distinct cultures. <br /><br />Eating meat from a farm, or even the wild, is sustenance.<br /><br />CHOOSING to consume, say, a lamb roast with mint sauce on a Sunday evening becomes TRADITIONAL if it's done for decades or centuries (especially if there is minor ceremony involved, such as "Dad ALWAYS carves the roast"). NZ will not starve if we don't have a lamb roast every Sunday...but we LIKE to have it. And if our families have had one every Sunday for generations, it becomes traditional, fixed in our minds as a family custom. <br /><br />In the Faroes' case, eating whale meat from a wild source WAS vital sustenance for many centuries - totally accepted. From reading your country's history, I see the past farming difficulties, so whaling was practical...IN THE PAST. <br /><br />But modern Faroese CHOOSE to eat whale meat nowdays as a tradition. Many articles say they feel they'll lose a vital link with their history if they don't continue the "grind". But of course they'll survive without it, just as we would survive without a lamb roast every Sunday.<br /><br />So no, eating NZ lamb is not traditional just as Faroese mutton or fish meals are not traditional. NZ is just luckier with our climate and growing conditions than the FI.<br /><br />As for the hunting you cite in NZ: alot of people hunt for recreation/sport. The animals shot are on a cull list - deer, goats, geese, ducks etc. - with enforced catch numbers and seasons for hunting. Animals like rabbits, stoats, possums etc are regarded as pests, and are hunted any time. <br /><br />Your whale hunting/eating IS a tradition (by the definition above). But the continuence of ALL traditions depends on many factors like cultural sensitivity, its place in a modern world, impact on society. Spain's traditional bullfighting is starting to be phased out because today it is regarded as cruel and archaic. The "grind" is the same - a tradition once rooted in practicality, but now completely unnecessary.<br /><br />A huge difference between how a lamb roast ends up on MY table, and how whale meat arrives on YOUR table, is the killing method - which really SHOULD be included in this discussion on tradition. But at your request I've reluctantly left it for another time. <br /><br />PS: By the way, the NZ maori tradition of eating humans captured in battle stopped in 1868!!! :-)Writer Of The Purple Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935896975834415060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-52282553973217202122010-09-15T12:10:38.434+12:002010-09-15T12:10:38.434+12:00BigMac... perhaps you would be interested in readi...BigMac... perhaps you would be interested in reading my blog "The Global Disney World" here?: http://elinbrimheimheinesen.blogspot.com/2010/09/global-disney-world.html <br /><br />I guess Philbee might already have read it, since he's a subscriber. :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723584656179151275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-38387448246314740872010-09-15T03:27:56.478+12:002010-09-15T03:27:56.478+12:00EMOTIONS: Part1
Hi again
This post will be abo...EMOTIONS: Part1<br /><br />Hi again<br /><br />This post will be about emotions<br /><br />“Emotion: cetaceans' proven intelligence, social structure and interaction with mankind has forged emotional bonds, hence why many people protest killing of dolphins and whales, large and small. Added to this is the shock factor for many who've seen photos or videos of the grindadráp. Perhaps if they'd grown up with this, they'd feel indifferent to the whales' pain. “ (quote Philbee)<br /><br />Under emotion you mention cetaceans' proven intelligence, which I assume is because you considder it a special quality of an animal, making it deserve man´s special affection.<br /><br />Intelligence:<br />Intelligence is an often used factor in arguments to prove it wrong to use certain animals for human consumption. People tend to forget that if you set up a criteria (ex intelligence) of wich an animal should be spared, by the very same criteria they give their deathcentence to animals who do not meet the criteria. <br /><br />In other words they discriminate “stupid” animals”<br /><br />Is it fair by people who claim to be animalfriends to discriminate “stupid” animals? <br /><br />Is it morally correct?<br /><br />And are you willing to go the other way around and discuss an argue and prove to me the stupidity and lack of intelligence of a pig, and tell me in wich way it fails the intelligence-criteria since you have no problem killing them? <br /> <br />In my view intelligence is just one of any species qualitys. More so my general notion is that any type of animal is specialiced (evolution/creation, you pick) to it´s environment and is therefore one of it´s kind in ALL aspects. <br /><br />Intelligense (as diffuse and difficult it is to measure)is just one of the different qualitys of a specie, why just pick that one?<br />People should ask themselves if their beliefs are based on stringent, logic, fair general treatment of ALL animals or merely a irrational religious whale-sectarian EMOTION of wich seamammals exclusively benefit .<br /><br />Emotions:<br />And by the way, where are peoples “emotions” you mentioned when a less intelligent animal get a bullet in the brain, it´s skin ripped of, it´s body cut to pieces and served on their very own plate?<br /><br />What can we say about people who can separate their emotions in this skizofrenic way? Is it fair to use their emotions as standard measure to the rest of us?<br /><br />“Emotions” that can defend a whale but not a cow, are definiatly not about the animals but solely an inwardbound matter only concerning selfish non-reflective peoples ego.<br /><br />And I can tell you for sure, emotions are not exclusive to the selfproclaimed “enviromentalist”. Faroees people who live in, by and of the nature also have strong feelings about the creatures surrounding us every day as indicated by heavy influence in art, litterature and lyric showing deep respect and affection to both the fauna and the enviroment of which we so heavily depend on.<br /><br />I seriously doubt that New Zealand would respect a boycot on it´s meat-industry from India, based strictly on how they “feel” for cows. Killing a cow means nothing to NZ´ers and they would never even sligthly concider to reduce their intake one milligram only to please one billion Indian´s “emotions” for something irrational as a holy cow.<br />Since there is no emotions attaced to any of the animals people rather like to chew on, that be a pig, cow, chicken, they obviously have an unfullfilled need to throw their emotions on something. For no more rational reason than the Indian and their cows, the whale has become the chosen one to be the holy animal.<br /><br /> I am amazed that people can´t see the resemblance in term of sacredness and religious qualitys they ascribe to random animals in presice same way as ancient or religious cultures with the striking difference though, that Indians don´t force their religious belives on others.BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-48599327961800178972010-06-24T03:50:18.700+12:002010-06-24T03:50:18.700+12:00SUSTAINABILITY:
You gave up “sustainability” as o...SUSTAINABILITY:<br /><br />You gave up “sustainability” as one category of reasons why you concider grindadráp barbaric.<br /><br />However after reading the content of your post over and over I found no sign of you saying that grindadráp is a problem to the sustainability of the whalepoppulation. Opposite you once again admitted that proven records show that sustainability is NOT an issue.<br /><br />Now let us once and for all ratify your own words: “sustainability it not an issue!” . Period. (quote Philbee)<br /><br /><br />On the other hand you came up with two arguments completely irrelevant to the sustainability issue.<br /><br />One argument was that whalemeat is not needed to survive and the other was that it was a “treat”<br />Since not in the catagory of “sustainability” I will answer these in a new post under proper category.BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-9141088161785662032010-06-24T01:54:32.984+12:002010-06-24T01:54:32.984+12:00Hi again
I am afraid the time between my posts is ...Hi again<br />I am afraid the time between my posts is a little long but I´ll try to answer as best I can. I will split up the replys into the different categories you set up ....method, emotion, tradition, sustainability, economics.<br />The categories order will be random and not all at once, but hopefully all adressed over some time.<br /><br />First we can take “TRADITION”<br /><br />Tradition: I see this alot in other forums to. To me is seem like people are seeking to score some cheap points . The fact that grindadráp certainly IS a tradition( anyway that´s what they call things that´s been done for centurys) is NOT equal/ aka/ = /the same thing/, .....that faroe islanders use this fact by itself, in defense of the hunt.<br /><br />You somehow have gotten this idea, but I tell you it´s wrong<br /><br />You say: tradition can´t be used to defend whalehunt!<br /><br />I say: completly agree , but just because whalehunt is a tradition, you can´t use that to attack the whalehunt either!!<br /><br />So why are we talking tradition then? I suggest since it´s not a part of the ecuation it´s left out as part of the argumentation<br />There has to be good reasons both ways,- a good reason to sustain the hunt or a good reason to quit,- simple as that!<br /><br /><br />But since you brougth tradition up I need more clarification cause it really makes me wonder what is your criteria when you decide the “tradition” weapon is fit to use. <br /><br />Is it not tradition when you eat a steak in New Zealand wich you probably have done for centurys as well? Are you really sure you neeeeed to eat sheep in your country?..afterall it´s just a tradition rigth? Do you see where I´m getting, or is there a conveniance line you don´t like to cross saying : whaling on the opposite side of the planet is no-no primitive tradition, but everything killed and eaten at my doorstep in New Zealand is top-modern, new-age, merely part of a SURVIVAL-toolkit. Where do you draw the line? Everything found in a supermarket -freezer is valid and all the things you are not familiar with around the world, is taboo?<br /><br />How about traditional hunt in New Zealand? http://www.huntingnewzealand.info/main/Gallery/ <br />http://www.freerangehuntingnz.com/trophy-photos-1.html<br /><br />Is it out of need? Survival? Or is it more in the pleasure/fun/entertainment department? Or should we say buisness? Tourisboards eagerly attracting pleasurehunters from all over the world as a major part of NZ tourist industry(and hence NZ´s GDP) is´nt exactly in line with your suggestion about FI switcing to eco-tourism.<br /><br />Why is your hunt simply food and our simple tradition?<br /><br />What makes NZ´s traditional food and hunt so special that you don´t go out and demand it stopped in the same way you demand it from the FI?<br /><br />I really need a clear answer on this cause I have a hard time following the reasoning.<br /><br />NB: please do only answer inside the category of TRADITION (do not include sustainability, killing metode etc.)BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-65611585025314834652010-06-22T16:11:08.126+12:002010-06-22T16:11:08.126+12:00Dear Sandeep: people like you are the one that wil...Dear Sandeep: people like you are the one that will cause fight and misunderstanding.. better keep your mouth shut if you have nothing good to sayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-74505294138146970972010-06-02T12:57:03.366+12:002010-06-02T12:57:03.366+12:00Dear Sandeep:
While you're entitled to your o...Dear Sandeep: <br />While you're entitled to your opinion, your vicious emotional message is one of the reasons why the Faroese are reluctant to move on this issue. <br />I know this post has alot of information to consider, but please take the time to read it again - and think how a calmer response may have more effect.<br />Thanks for visiting.Writer Of The Purple Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935896975834415060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-36524983738974696112010-06-02T10:16:02.202+12:002010-06-02T10:16:02.202+12:00Does such an island need to exist and even its peo...Does such an island need to exist and even its people..i think they are worth sacrificing though i would give them a less tortorous death...SandeepAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-7388602007810379022010-05-16T16:02:53.808+12:002010-05-16T16:02:53.808+12:00Dear BigMac:
Thanks for taking the time to write ...Dear BigMac: <br />Thanks for taking the time to write a response.<br />In reply, my first intention was to clarify many mistakes and rumours, so readers could make an informed decision - and not seem ignorant by quoting errors, if they wrote a protest.<br />And yes, I accept the Faroes does NOT hunt big whales. So I too was surprised to read that some big whale meat HAS been imported (there's much confirmed factual information on that WDCS website worth reading). I'll be looking into this more myself...<br />Some reasons I consider the grindadráp barbaric are: method, emotion, tradition, sustainability, economics. <br />Method: I accept your implements have been perfected for the job. However they are still inadequate for HUMANE slaughtering. You can argue about using knives to slit throats in abattoirs, however my first-hand abbatoir experience witnessed bolt guns delivering instant death - so no similarity. There is nothing humane about plunging hooks and knives into living animals, which then take up to 2 minutes to die. <br />Emotion: cetaceans' proven intelligence, social structure and interaction with mankind has forged emotional bonds, hence why many people protest killing of dolphins and whales, large and small. Added to this is the shock factor for many who've seen photos or videos of the grindadráp. Perhaps if they'd grown up with this, they'd feel indifferent to the whales' pain. <br />Tradition: just because something was done in the past, does not bind us to repeat it in the future. The grindadráp had a vital role in the survival of the Faroes...IN THE PAST. This is now the 21st.Century. <br />Sustainability: there is no denying that records show the Faroes are NOT wiping out pilot whale stocks. However there is a big difference between an Innuit tribe in frozen Alaska killing a whale every few months to merely SURVIVE...and a modern thriving economically-strong community such as yours herding whales into the shallows, to provide a traditional TREAT.<br />Economics: the Faroes has a strong economy easily sustaining its imports. For some to argue, that the grindadráp is vital should the islands be cut off by storms, is naive in this modern age. Likewise the argument, that whales constitute 30% of locally produced meat: this neatly sidesteps the fact that – just as if I baked a cake and it made up 30% of my baking – it's still a TREAT, not vital for survival. Replacing whaling with eco-tourism (in such a beautiful country as yours) would not only contribute to the GDP, but also remove the stygma of butchery. <br /><br />I hope that clarifies my position more. <br />θæNks!Writer Of The Purple Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935896975834415060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-22100305377334347732010-05-03T22:09:27.264+12:002010-05-03T22:09:27.264+12:00Hi Philbee
First thank you for trying to keep a s...Hi Philbee<br /><br />First thank you for trying to keep a serious factbased debate<br />To me you seem to have a real and sincere wish to really bring understanding and dialog about this issue.<br /><br />I am from Faroe Islands and really don´t like to think that this “serious” aproach has the only intention and goal to be a icebraker or softener to make it easyer to get already locked up wievs to the table.<br /><br />Your blog and work to get facts right of course convince me that this is not the case, and you are in buisness of enlightning people to better make a stand for them selves based on true facts.<br /><br />As you say you have discovered a lot of myths and factual errors about the faroeese whale hunt. So you of all know what we are up against.<br /><br />Now my point: Philbee you have on your own managed to conclude: That the hunt is sustainable - that the pilotwhale is not a threatned specie – that there is no money involved, no buisness, no export – that hiddeous claims like that the meat is left to rot is “blatantly inncorrect information” as you put it...and the meat and blubber is a local delicacy of another world - that there are records of the hunt hundreds of years back, indicating a historical serious responsible conduct of a rescoursse... and not least giving invaluable accurate insight in the stocks condition over centurys.<br /><br />All theese things have you managed to find out for your self wich I think is pretty amazing and uplifting, that there despite the incredible amount of misinformation(as you have noticed), after all are people who are able and willing to see into core of the matter.<br /><br />Now my question: Why have all this information you have gathered, unveiling the truth wich are pretty much in favour of Faroe islanders, showing them as non monsters but serious responsible caretakers of a nature given resscoursse,.... NOT changed your view?<br />You have on your own refuted many of the most commonly used arguments against faroeese whale hunt, and proven them to be false, still you use words like “barbarism” and “senseless killing”(in another blog)<br /><br />I am trying to understand but can´t see the connection between your witted observations and your derived conclusion.<br /><br />I would like you to clarify, what exactly you think is the problem with sustainably harvesting a natural resscoursse on the opposite side of the planet from you? <br /><br />Why are the true facts important?..are they meant to serve only the agenda of people already in opposition to whalehunt?,- is it just to look better on a letter to our primeminister ?..... or is it to bring ligth and basis for people to take an unbiased stance for them selves? <br /><br />If the latter is the case, why urging people to write letters when they in fact might be convinced(converted) to see things from a faroeese standpoint by the new insigth you bring them?<br /><br /><br />NB: About the information on your blog about “Faroes importing mink whale meat from Norway”<br /><br />First I must say I have never heard of this?? Never in my life I have ever eaten nor seen on a plate or in a store any bigwhale meat. Passing on such unconfirmed dubious “news”?? on your blog do´es nothing good for your otherwise “serious aproach”, insinuating illegal and unmoral behaviour of a whole population. As a journalist you sure know the term a “strawman argument” In this case the strawman beeing a suposedly false speculation in a completly different matter, not concerning the faroeese whalehunt whatsoever.<br /><br />Faroe Island are NOT hunting big whales (like Japan, Norway,Iceland etc)....., so please don´t connect two different issues.<br /><br /><br />I don´t mean to be harsh or anyting so please foregive if I sound inpolite, but this is serious buisness for me and my country.BigMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-2802697133535017182010-04-16T15:48:55.503+12:002010-04-16T15:48:55.503+12:00Thankyou for posting more information about this h...Thankyou for posting more information about this hideous hunt.<br />However I do believe, anyone who feels strongly against the act and who makes their small contribution either by email or letter is still helping greatly. It is bloody plain obvious that a well written email petition will make as much difference as a badly written petition and that is because they clearly don't care unfortunately :(<br /><br />I'm definately going to do my small part and send a letter. I think any kind of hunting that is not neccesary. Although chickens, pigs, cows are frequently killed there is a big difference in that 1. they are killed in a very quick way, by standards. 2. humans can not be sustained without them. <br />Many can, however I'm a vegetarian, no meat at all, and I am frequently sick, faint and this is due to low iron. However, whale meat is uneccesary to these people's health and is a treat that can be avoided. These people will live just fine without this meat, and their method of killing them is sick and inhumane. <br /><br />Tradition is bullshit. A lot of traditions have been killed, for example, most indigenious traditions such as tribe killings have been stopped for a long time, because it is outdated and this kind of behaviour is not permitted in the world of today.<br /><br />Any inhumane animal hunting, either for eating or entertainment needs to end. Not only whaling, Racoon Dogs comprise 11% of animals hunted in Japan and this is only for fur to wear. Iberian Lynx have only 38 females left in the entire world due to their habitat being bulldozed. All the horses that are killed if injured during steeplechase. Or even factory farming, where animals are kept in disgusting conditions?<br /><br />I am concerned about the individuals that can perform any of these cruel treatments on animals.<br />What more are they capable of? It really is sick. The people of Feroe Islands don't deserve their beautiful lands and the amazing, interesting and graceful whales that swim near the shores.<br /><br />I'll send my letter and hoping to start up my own animal adoption centre/care centre for abandoned and mistreated animals in australia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-46464300680403231462010-04-11T12:11:21.815+12:002010-04-11T12:11:21.815+12:00Dear Elin:
Further to your post that "nobody...Dear Elin: <br />Further to your post that "nobody buys pilot whale meat in the Faroe Islands"...<br />I know we've been solely discussing pilot whales and the local kill, but I've just seen info from the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS) that the Faroes has IMPORTED whale meat from Norway!! <br />I've added this to the main blog. Your thoughts...?Writer Of The Purple Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935896975834415060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-78046250351036543522010-04-02T01:54:36.945+13:002010-04-02T01:54:36.945+13:00Hi @Devon.
Could have been a good idea, if it onl...Hi @Devon. <br />Could have been a good idea, if it only was that simple. But the fact is that nobody buys pilot whale meat in the Faroe Islands. Nobody earns money from the whaling - but they might save money. As stated in post no. two above your own post: "Catches of whales are shared largely without the exchange of money among the participants in a hunt and residents of the local district where they are landed. This also means that the economic value of pilot whale meat and blubber does not appear as a part of the GDP of the Faroes, but its significance can be measured against the economic and environmental costs of importing the same amount of food."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723584656179151275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5035152580607078963.post-49477819747576986432010-04-01T22:41:12.051+13:002010-04-01T22:41:12.051+13:00Hi there Phil
I believe to stop it you need to fi...Hi there Phil<br /><br />I believe to stop it you need to find out who buys the product and then stop it at its source. If there is no demand because people are ashamed of what they are eating or buying. you will stop the killing. If the Restaurants selling it were to have a bad image nobody will go there. People fishing these dolphins are only doing out of desperation and easy money.<br />That's my point of view i thought it might help.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08824089901483085271noreply@blogger.com